Thread: Time for a Tea Party
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05-03-2009, 07:34 PM #287
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Not trying to start a fight I just think you're being a little over dramatic. And no thanks I love this country. I wasn't saying for you to leave the country just go check out how real dictators are and then come back and say Bush was like that. If you can still say that after that then all I can say is we definitely have different views on what a dictator is.
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05-03-2009, 07:46 PM #288
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He didn't care about the Constitution. He didn't care about breaking the law (wiretapping). He didn't care about anything but what he wanted, when he wanted it. He bowled over people's rights to get what he wanted.
Obama administration seeks to deny habeas-corpus for Afghan detainees
Like the three most important considerations in real estate, whether or not the Obama administration fights for terrorism suspects’ habeas-corpus rights has everything to do with location, location, location:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/11/wo...gram.html?_r=1
The Obama administration said Friday that it would appeal a district court ruling that granted some military prisoners in Afghanistan the right to file lawsuits seeking their release. The decision signaled that the administration was not backing down in its effort to maintain the power to imprison terrorism suspects for extended periods without judicial oversight.
In a court filing, the Justice Department also asked District Judge John D. Bates not to proceed with the habeas-corpus cases of three detainees at Bagram Air Base outside Kabul, Afghanistan. Judge Bates ruled last week that the three — each of whom says he was seized outside of Afghanistan — could challenge their detention in court.
Tina Foster, the executive director of the International Justice Network, which is representing the detainees, condemned the decision in a statement.
“Though he has made many promises regarding the need for our country to rejoin the world community of nations, by filing this appeal, President Obama has taken on the defense of one of the Bush administration’s unlawful policies founded on nothing more than the idea that might makes right,” she said.
Obama Administration Defends Wiretaps
http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/...ends-wiretaps/
Government opts for secrecy in wiretap suit
Bob Egelko, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, April 7, 2009
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...TJOQ.DTL&tsp=1
The Obama administration is again invoking government secrecy in defending the Bush administration's wiretapping program, this time against a lawsuit by AT&T customers who claim federal agents illegally intercepted their phone calls and gained access to their records.
Disclosure of the information sought by the customers, "which concerns how the United States seeks to detect and prevent terrorist attacks, would cause exceptionally grave harm to national security," Justice Department lawyers said in papers filed Friday in San Francisco.
Kevin Bankston of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a lawyer for the customers, said Monday the filing was disappointing in light of the Obama presidential campaign's "unceasing criticism of Bush-era secrecy and promise for more transparency."
In a 2006 lawsuit, the AT&T plaintiffs accused the company of allowing the National Security Agency to intercept calls and e-mails and inspect records of millions of customers without warrants or evidence of wrongdoing.
The suit followed President George W. Bush's acknowledgement in 2005 that he had secretly authorized the NSA in 2001 to monitor messages between U.S. residents and suspected foreign terrorists without seeking court approval, as required by a 1978 law.
Congress passed a new law last summer permitting the surveillance after Bush allowed some court supervision, the extent of which has not been made public. The law also sought to grant immunity to AT&T and other telecommunications companies from suits by customers accusing them of helping the government spy on them.
Nearly 40 such suits from around the nation, all filed after Bush's 2005 disclosure, have been transferred to San Francisco and are pending before Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker. He is now reviewing a constitutional challenge to last year's immunity law, which the Obama administration is defending.
Walker is also considering a challenge to the surveillance program by the Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation, a now-defunct charity that was inadvertently given a government document in 2004, reportedly showing that its lawyers had been wiretapped during an investigation that landed the group on the government's terrorist list.
The Obama administration is also opposing that suit and has challenged Walker's order to let Al-Haramain's lawyers examine the still-classified surveillance document.
The administration's new filing asks Walker to dismiss a second suit filed in September by AT&T customers that sought to sidestep the telecommunications immunity law by naming only the government, Bush and other top officials as defendants.
Like the earlier suit, the September case relies on a former AT&T technician's declaration that he saw equipment installed at the company's San Francisco office to allow NSA agents to copy all incoming e-mails. The plaintiffs' lawyers say the declaration, and public statements by government officials, revealed a "dragnet" surveillance program that indiscriminately scooped up messages and customer records.
The Justice Department said Friday that government agents monitored only communications in which "a participant was reasonably believed to be associated with al Qaeda or an affiliated terrorist organization." But proving that the surveillance program did not sweep in ordinary phone customers would require "disclosure of highly classified NSA intelligence sources and methods," the department said.
Individual customers cannot show their messages were intercepted, and thus have no right to sue, because all such information is secret, government lawyers said. They also said disclosure of whether AT&T took part in the program would tell the nation's enemies "which channels of communication may or may not be secure."
Somebody really owes George W. Bush an apology...
I don't know of any other President who ever told someone "Stop throwing the Constitution in my face. It's just a God damned piece of paper." But Bush did. He didn't like it when people wanted him to obey that pesky bit of paper.Laissez les bon temps rouler! Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.** a 4 day work week & sex slaves ~ I say Tyt for PRESIDENT! Not to be taken internally, literally or seriously ....Suki ebaynni IS THAT BETTER ?
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05-03-2009, 07:52 PM #289
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Its funny how Obama is saying Bush did this and that wrong but he's also upholding some of the very things he said was wrong.
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05-03-2009, 10:26 PM #290
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05-04-2009, 06:21 AM #291
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Actually gymers I think SurferGirl is the over dramatic one in here with her anger, rage, accusations & name calling with the current POTUS. Bush wasn't a dictator, but I can't say that he didn't come across as one at differant times during his last term in office. I really don't care to leave my country to visit another to see how a dictator rules, I'm quite happy right where I'm at.
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She may have strong opinions, but I think sometimes she's baited too.....
Mrs Pepperpot is a lady who always copes with the tricky situations that she finds herself in....
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05-04-2009, 10:38 AM #293
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I do have some very strong opinions but that one went from an example of real torture in the United Emirates to someone turning it into the few cases where we used very minimal torture to get information and our form was never a threat of any permanent damage. Then I just pointed out that many of the people who make a big deal about this type of torture support BHO's extreme radical views on late term abortion. I thought BHO was being very much a hypocrite.
I really had very little time to actually keep up with the whole forum and I'll have far less time in the future.
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05-04-2009, 12:58 PM #294
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Originally Posted by pepperpotLaissez les bon temps rouler! Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.** a 4 day work week & sex slaves ~ I say Tyt for PRESIDENT! Not to be taken internally, literally or seriously ....Suki ebaynni IS THAT BETTER ?
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05-19-2009, 10:03 AM #295
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The Megapenny Project
http://www.kokogiak.com/megapenny/?s...ium=newsletter
"Visualizing huge numbers can be very difficult. People regularly talk about millions of miles, billions of bytes, or trillions of dollars, yet it's still hard to grasp just how much a "billion" really is." Step your way through a stack and/or stacks of pennies, from one all the way to a quintillion cents. The Sears Tower and the Empire State building even get into the act as size references. The Megapenny Penny Project is just the site for those of us who are visual and also for residents of Missouri who always demand, "Show Me!"
http://www.kokogiak.com/megapenny/fifteen.asp
1,818,624,000,000
One trillion, eight hundred eighteen billion, six hundred
twenty-four million Pennies
New york's Empire State Building contains 37 million cubic feet of space (minus
the antenna structure). Using our cubic foot of pennies (49,152 total), it's just a simple
multiplication problem - 37,000,000 x 49,152 = 1,818,624,000,000 pennies.
value $18,186,240,000.00
(Eighteen billion, one hundred
eighty-six million, two hundred forty
thousand dollars and zero cents)
total weight 5,683,200 tons
height stacked 1,793,939 Miles
area (laid flat) 163,085 acresLaissez les bon temps rouler! Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.** a 4 day work week & sex slaves ~ I say Tyt for PRESIDENT! Not to be taken internally, literally or seriously ....Suki ebaynni IS THAT BETTER ?
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And here I thought we were comparing racial phallic symbols....Mrs Pepperpot is a lady who always copes with the tricky situations that she finds herself in....
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thats only in rock videos....
Laissez les bon temps rouler! Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.** a 4 day work week & sex slaves ~ I say Tyt for PRESIDENT! Not to be taken internally, literally or seriously ....Suki ebaynni IS THAT BETTER ?