Thread: Palin and the Bridge to No Where and that money

Originally Posted by mesue

So tell me again how the democrats are the only do nothings.

i dont agree with bush on a lot of things but i do get tired of him getting blamed for everything! he had only been in office a very little time when 9-11 happened and he gets the blame for that. i have talked to a lot of soldiers because my nephew is in the army and everyone of them support bush and the war.its the families who dont wont them over there which is normal but not the soldiers themselves. what most people seem to forget is that we the people elected the
democrats into congress a few years ago and they are the ones who make the decisions and control everything not bush. they have the power to declare war not bush. i think palin is an awesome person so far and so what if her daughter is going to have a baby. it happens in a lot of familys today and no one makes a big deal out of that. i think we should give her a chance, there is something really wrong with obama, he gives me the creeps! how can he say he is a christian and then in the next breath say its ok to kill babies?pay really close attention to obama when hes put on the spot he dances around the issue. o,reilly did some intervies with him that will air monday thru wednesday im going to watch to see what he has to say. but i know a lot of politicans say if obama is elected we will be in a depression like in the 30s. they call bush a lame duck president which means he is a republican with a democrat congress. the last 4 years have been the worse for america and why?because thats when the democrats took over. but bush gets the blame for all of it.and if palin lied , well if you go by telling a lie you might as well not vote at all because all politicans lie! i think bush did very well after 9-11 with what he had to deal with. and what most people dont realize is bush doesn,t have the power you think he does, it congress who has the power not bush he can veto something they do but they can override it.everyone cuts down bush but who was the last president impeached? bill clinton!and now they think he walks on water!he was eventually aquitted, but only two presidents have been impeached and both were democrats.





I wonder how pro-life Democrats will react to Barack Obama’s pregnancy-as-punitive and pregnancy-as-inconvenience-on-par-with STDs rhetoric? There’s a careless callousness in Obama’s phrasing yesterday that’s definitely not going to sit well with the staunch Pennsylvania pro-life voting bloc.

What do you think? http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...bortions_.html

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Out in western Pennsylvania, the issue of abortion can strike a nerve. Democrats there often describe themselves economic liberals and social conservatives who favor gun rights and oppose abortion rights.

So, it was not unusual to see a woman stand near the end of Barack Obama’s town hall meeting in Johnstown, Penn., and offer a hurried, passionate plea for him to “stop these abortions.”

…The exchange appeared to be prompted by Obama’s earlier comments that he does not favor abstinence-only education, but rather comprehensive sexual education that includes information on abstinence and birth control.

“Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” he said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”
Blogger reax…

The Other McCain: http://rsmccain.blogspot.com/2008/03...with-baby.html

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Huh? Who thinks of babies as “punishment”?

Better yet, what kind of father would describe babies as “punishment”? As a father of six children (three of them teenagers), I was dumbfounded by Obama’s use of this phrase. Of course, this being a Democratic primary, there’s really no difference between Obama and Hillary on the abortion issue, but Obama’s bizarre phrasing is still remarkable.

STACLU: http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/...re-punishment/

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Regardless of your feelings on sexual education, this statement oozes with animosity. It also reveals the true heart of Barack Obama. Despite his so-called “understanding” of both sides of the abortion issue, any person that could utter such cold, abhorrence when discussing a fellow human being has no intention of displaying any goodwill to pro-lifers.
I am so not surprised when last July he stated, “What difference does two or three minutes inside or outside the womb really make? One’s ‘late-term’ and the other’s ‘postpartum’. Who’s to say if the postpartum fetus is truly viable? Postpartum fetuses die all the time for all manner of reasons.”

That floored me.

I may get some flak for this, but I have stated before that I think there are three valid reasons for an abortion:

1. rape
2. incest
3. danger to the mother’s life

But that’s it. Using abortion as birth control or as a solution to a voluntary “life mistake” is wrong.

I believe that at some age sex education is a must. I don’t know what that age is and it must be determined by the parents because all children are different and react differently to information.

Maybe a solution is to have class in school, but not make it mandatory to a certain age. Let the parent determine when a child should go to that class.

If a sixteen year old has casual sex, she has made one bad choice.

If unprotected sex, that is bad choice number two.

If she becomes pregnant, that is consequence number one.

If she gets a STD, that is consequence number 2.

Now explain how another bad choice, the killing of a baby, will result in anything other than another consequence that would be undesirable.

Obama’s words are beyond reprehensible. And they echo a theme well beyond the issue of teenage sex: the abdication of personal responsibility.

There are consequences for the poor decisions one makes in life. Engage in unprotected sex and get pregnant. eat more calories than you use and face obesity. Spend more money than you make and face bankruptcy. Ignore the educational opportunities this country offers and prepare to be destined to a life of menial jobs.

Obama stands for the proposition that the government’s role is to absolve people of personal responsibility. Why should one practice abstinence, live within one’s means and endeavor to succeed when the government can provide the solution. Obama’s world would have peole trade their freedom to be responsible for their own lives for government intervention relieving them of that “burden”. The barter of one’s freedom for security. A people willing to make that trade, to paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, deserve neother freedom nor security.

The real irony here is that Obama’s own mother and father conceived him out of wedlock. Is it his belief that his birth was a punishment on his parents? And, based on his mother’s atheist beliefs and her extreme liberal view of the world, had the climate for abortion been as permissive then as it is today, would there even *be* a Barak Obama? Why should she have had to endure the punishment of unprotected sex?


Barack Obama was the only member of the Illinois Senate to speak against a bill that would have granted legal protection to already-born babies still alive after a failed abortion.

Taradream, when we went to war we went to war with a republican led congress, and a republican President. The democrats ony began to lead the congress two years ago, so blaming the democrats for leading us into war, will not work. I am not saying the democrats that voted for going to war are blameless, but at the time we went to war, the republicans were in the majority.

BTW, the soldiers can't bad mouth their commander-in-chief. They have given the most of their money, to back a candidate, to Ron Paul, not McCain, and there are many returning vets everyday joining the ranks of protesters; protesting the war. Tell me why we are still in Iraq, we have found no WMD's. Even Bush is no longer looking for them in Iraq, last time I heard he was looking under his couch for them. Saddam is dead, so why are we still there?

As for as impeachment, Bush and Cheney and their entire staff, should be impeached for lying to us about the WMD's, when there is ample proof they cherry picked the evidence and did not show congress or us, all of the evidence against there being no WMD. Once impeached they should be tried for crimes against humanity, and treason.

If you would like to tell me how Clinton's indescretion with an, of age intern, is equal to promoting torture, illegal rendition, and going against the rules of the Genenva Convention, lying to the American people, and lying to start a war, compares to getting thousands of our country's sons and daughters killed, wounded and maimed, also causing the death of thousands of innocent Iraqi's by starting this war, well go ahead and try.

Study after study by our own government, reveals that we are making the problem worse by being there. We are there for one reason, oil and to build that pipeline from the caspian sea, all permanent bases have been built, along it's eventual route.

Abortion is not a political issue in one sense, it will be decided through the courts, just like Roe vs. Wade was. Here is the thing, even if you managed to get abortion declared illegal, you would still have the problem of abortions happening illegally, and women dying from botched abortions.

So you are not going to stop abortions. You will only limit the number of choices a woman has and put her life in more jeopardy, and at risk for having the abortion. But for some who are against abortion that does not matter. Palin's daughter is lucky she has parent's who are willing to help her and a young man who is standing by her, that is not always the usual case.

Right now in our society we have many in high positions with power, who think that full knowledge on sex and education is a bad thing, and seek to limit it in our schools and want to teach abstinence only. The same group has cut programs to help young people and social programs that help families, so if a young lady finds herself abandoned by everyone due to a pregnancy, she has few choices left to her.

You mention above if one does not take advantage of education, one if bound to a lifetime of poverty, very few people have the opportunity that you speak of, my daughters had to take out student loans and work through college. Right now they are paying back a huge debt because the cost of education is so high.

Now imagine a young mother trying to attend school and work, which is what one has to do to survive and do not want to live in poverty, so how do you think she is going to fare? Right now those mother's are having to drop out of school, due to programs that help pay for childcare, and other needs, are being cut to the bare bones. So basically a child who grows up in poverty will probably not break that cycle, without a lot of help, their not getting that help.

You got corporate welfare going on, and the rich are paying less taxes percentage wise than the working poor, and the middle class. How is that fair? We got a government that continues to burden the working poor and the middle class with most of the taxes and keep talking dribble about trickle down economics, it doesn't work. It didn't for Reagan and it isn't working now, for anyone but the wealthy.

We got a congress that is allowing speculators to run up the price of fuel and many say that food prices will soon be outlandish too for the same reason. Most of, "We the people", and our government are stretched to pay for a war that should have been stopped long ago. The government is handing out big, "no bid", contracts, to many government officials, good buddy's companies. Many in our government have invested in those companies that are doing business with the pentagon, and making money off of this war.

We have borrowed from China to where they practically own America, we owe so much we are only paying back interest, and are going to soon be considered a third world country due to our enormous debt, to other countries.

As for 911, there is clear evidence that the bungling of intelligence and the Bush's Administrations, lack of placing it on top priority, and taking action, scurity wise definitely helped allow 911 to happen. When you get a memo stating the plan of Bin Laden determined to attack US using hi-jacked planes and ignore it, and then you have top officials like Rice, saying no one ever thought of anyone doing this and there is a memo, that clearly says they knew someone had thought of it, well that tells me someone dropped the ball.

When you have FBI saying they were told to back off investigating certain people, by our government officials, well that tells me someone dropped the ball. That is not saying the Clinton Administration is not at fault too, and no Clinton did not have the opportunity everyone says he had to keep Bin laden locked up, that everyone wants to say he had, look it up on snopes.

Richard Clark himself, said to victim's families, your government failed you. He was right, they did.

Originally Posted by janelle

Oh, well I don't much trust those sources either. LOL Have you seen the photoshopped pics of her making her look like a bimbo?

Oh those were photo shopped?

Originally Posted by Hockeymama

weather she did or not she still made the choice to have sex before marriage...
the point was it's not the public school that made that choice for her because they do teach all your options including abstinence....

Okay who doesn't have sex before marriage? about 1% of the population maybe? And I will say it again what the H*ll does that have to do with her mom being a possible VP? And thanks tngirl for your comment we don't know if protection was used. millions of unplanned babies are born everyday to teens and older women, even married couples for gosh's sake!!
I have said I do DISAGREE with some of Palins opinions/beliefs. But i still support her. I don't judge a few things on the overall package.
And its NOBODY ELSE'S right to tell a women what she can or can't do with her body.

Originally Posted by Hockeymama

If you would have read the whole comment and saw the quoted text it was with....my response was due to the fact that someone was blaming her pregnancy on the fact that she went to public school and that they did NOT teach her Abstinence....

I said NOTHING about her mom running for VP. I don't judge her on the fact that her daughter is prego......I just dont care for her....

So before you go off the deep end read the whole post

why is it that people feel the need to go on defensive for stating a difference of opinion to theirs? I'm referring of course to your last line.
I had no problem with your post till the last part. I have a problem when people like to feel superior. JMO

Originally Posted by Hockeymama

There was nothing defensive about my post at all....all I did was simply state that you should read the whole post and what it was in reference to before you go off on your rant about "who doesn't have sex before marriage"
my post wasn't about that at all.....

You would be the defensive one here....not me

I read what you said about you had sex before marriage. I don't see anywhere else about anything about her daughter choosing to do so. You stated they only taught abstinence in school. And we all know for the most part that isn't going to work. If people are naive enough to believe their kids are NOT having sex.........that is why i stated about the majority of people DO have sex before marriage. And bringing up her daughters pregnancy? What difference does it make? It was an accident. I'm still confused what it has to do with the original topic janelle started? And for for to ASSume i was going off the deep end as you put it, NO i'm fine, thanks.

And back to the original post:
I don't know where the money went. But i think this women has the "balls" to be in the white house. I was a HIllary supporter. but i think she would be more of a cougar in there .
I do disagree with some of her beliefs on where she stands, but it takes congress etc to pass them off as laws anyway.
ANd janelle your photo some people probably do think its real.