Thread: Smoking with kids in the car banned starting on Sept. 1

Originally Posted by renaissanceman

IF every state in the nation can tell me that I DON'T have the right to go flying through the windshield of MY car, I don't see whats wrong with this.


DON'T GET THE ANALOGY OF SEATBELTS.

THIS is what WE have allowed. We will lose ALL rights eventually. Government will be telling us how MANY kids we can have before long in the interest of "protecting" the earth etc.

OK SAME PAGE HERE.

WHY on earth should money be made because people don't want to wear seatbelts?

People who smoke around children SHOULD be taught that it is wrong. Some don't care.


FINE.TEACH AWAY.DON'T DICTATE!

When it COSTS you, you learn.

PLUS my car, my kids seems to equate the two. Your kids are NOT property to do with as you see fit.


I WOULD NEVER EVEN IMPLY THAT ANY CHILDREN ARE OWNED BY ANYONE,THEY ARE GIFTS FROM GOD,MINE TO STEWARD IN A MANNER
CONSISTENT WITH MY CHRISTIAN BELIEFS.I WILL ANSWER TO GOD,NOT THE STATE,BECAUSE THEY ARE DEFINITELY NOT OWNED BY BIG BROTHER.

YOUR freedom? ALL freedom is subject to common sense legislation that has met the approval of the people.

TAKE A POLL.MOST OF THE LEGISLATION,OR LACK OF IT I'VE SEEN LATELY HAS NOT MET THE APPROVAL OF THE MAJORITY.


NOONE has TOTAL freedom.

CIVIICS 101: MY FREEDOMS STOP WHERE YOURS BEGIN.

DOn't get me wrong though.

I am a civil libertarian in some ways. My deal is this though....

Two wrongs don't make a right but at least the no smpking in cars around children pays actual dividends other than financially.

HOW? AND PLEASE DON'T PROVE YOUR CASE WITH EMPTY "CASE HISTORIES."

The seat belt issue is all about the money.

GRANTED.

Wrong is wrong, I am just REALLY annoyed that I MUST wear a seat belt.



Its sort of like this.

1. kids have to be buckled and or leaglly restrained or you get fined.

THAT didn't make enough money...SO

2. EVERYONE has to wear a seat belt or pay.

The economy is bad and they need to drum up MORE loot without drastic tax raises???

3. NO smoking in a car around kids.

I mean get it and back when I was a smoker I NEVER smoked in the car or house with my kids.

NOPE.ME NEITHER.PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!

That's NOT what this is really about though.

LITTLE by little we give up our rights and freedoms VOLUNTARILY for the greater or public good.

SOUNDS A LOT LIKE COMMUNISM TO ME.

MY sarcasm and anger on this issue may not make it clear.

I do NOT support this, but I totally understand why it is happening.

YEAH.ME TOO.

shoot

oops i havent learned how to delete or know if it is even possilbe.

while they are outlawing things that are bad for you....


butter -- it makes you fat and your cholesterol will shoot through the roof ...but we now have "tastes kinda like butter but is all chemical fake stuff"

sugar -- it makes your teeth rot, your glucose rise ... but we now have "sorbitol, not only is it fake and chemically...if you eat enough of it, it gives you the schits! Try some today!!"

bacon -- BACON!!! Made with real pigs --heart attack on a plate if you combine with buttered white bread, and 2 eggs any style... but you can have tasty tofu bacon, some egg beaters with a "touch" of real eggs, whole grain bread and "spread".




I am a smoker, I grew up with a smoker, my daughter's grew up with us smoking -- they are all fine, as am I -- no health problems.

I think they are just looking for another freedom to take away. Honestly, if they thought it was REALLY bad they would make a law to stop production of it... but there is a lot of money in tobacco, butter, bacon, sugar and other "not good for you things".


editing to add...

since alcohol can kill you (be it now or later depending on your situation and lack of control), why not ban the sales of booze in all forms? (yes that would include NYQUIL)

or better yet, since there have been so many recent stories of people who have died from overdosing on WATER...why not make a law to ban the sales of water?

I don't necessarily agree with the government having to step in and make it a law that you can't smoke with children in the vehicle. I wish that people would realize the damage they very possibly could be causing to the health of their children by smoking in such an enclosed area. I love the people that won't smoke in the house but they have no problem smoking in the vehicle with their kids. My cousin is good for that one.
I grew up with smokers. My nieces' dad and his family smoke around her. I SEE first hand the damage it can do. To say it doesn't cause any health risks is incredible to me. Just because you and so and so are fine doesn't mean that everyone is fine. It DOES affect some kids. I know that I love my kids enough to NOT take that chance and risk their health now or any future health problems that may come from being around smokers when they were children.

JMO

Originally Posted by mom2cvam

I don't necessarily agree with the government having to step in and make it a law that you can't smoke with children in the vehicle. I wish that people would realize the damage they very possibly could be causing to the health of their children by smoking in such an enclosed area. I love the people that won't smoke in the house but they have no problem smoking in the vehicle with their kids. My cousin is good for that one.
I grew up with smokers. My nieces' dad and his family smoke around her. I SEE first hand the damage it can do. To say it doesn't cause any health risks is incredible to me. Just because you and so and so are fine doesn't mean that everyone is fine. It DOES affect some kids. I know that I love my kids enough to NOT take that chance and risk their health now or any future health problems that may come from being around smokers when they were children.

JMO

the operative words are bolded red.

Alcohol COULD kill you even if you don't drink because someone who does drink could hit you while you walking to your mailbox.

Butter COULD kill you because of the high cholesterol... you COULD have a heart attack and be standing next to a small child at the grocerystore, and fall on them and squish them, and therefore you would have killed or maimed that child.

outlaw it all.


but just because it affects SOME and not ALL...it's just one more freedom you don't have.

Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge

BUT it is not the goverments' place to legislate "proper behavior".

It's not abou tproper behavior it's about child safety and health.

Originally Posted by renaissanceman

IF every state in the nation can tell me that I DON'T have the right to go flying through the windshield of MY car, I don't see whats wrong with this.

THIS is what WE have allowed. We will lose ALL rights eventually. Government will be telling us how MANY kids we can have before long in the interest of "protecting" the earth etc.

WHY on earth should money be made because people don't want to wear seatbelts?

People who smoke around children SHOULD be taught that it is wrong. Some don't care.

When it COSTS you, you learn.

PLUS my car, my kids seems to equate the two. Your kids are NOT property to do with as you see fit.

YOUR freedom? ALL freedom is subject to common sense legislation that has met the approval of the people.

NOONE has TOTAL freedom.

DOn't get me wrong though.

I am a civil libertarian in some ways. My deal is this though....

Two wrongs don't make a right but at least the no smpking in cars around children pays actual dividends other than financially.

The seat belt issue is all about the money.

Wrong is wrong, I am just REALLY annoyed that I MUST wear a seat belt.

Its sort of like this.

1. kids have to be buckled and or leaglly restrained or you get fined.

THAT didn't make enough money...SO

2. EVERYONE has to wear a seat belt or pay.

The economy is bad and they need to drum up MORE loot without drastic tax raises???

3. NO smoking in a car around kids.

I mean get it and back when I was a smoker I NEVER smoked in the car or house with my kids.

That's NOT what this is really about though.

LITTLE by little we give up our rights and freedoms VOLUNTARILY for the greater or public good.

MY sarcasm and anger on this issue may not make it clear.

I do NOT support this, but I totally understand why it is happening.

So seat belts don't save people?

And in this state the Democratic congress raised the cigarette sales tax over $2.00 in the last three years. To look for revinue...guess what....didn't work people started quiting. But the taxes weren't repealed.


The bottom line is this.

We can cut down the number of children who grow up to be adults with respitory problems, and children with cancer if people wouldn't smoke in a vehicle with children under a certain age.

Besides that..it's done. Case closed.

Originally Posted by atprm

the operative words are bolded red.

Alcohol COULD kill you even if you don't drink because someone who does drink could hit you while you walking to your mailbox.

Butter COULD kill you because of the high cholesterol... you COULD have a heart attack and be standing next to a small child at the grocerystore, and fall on them and squish them, and therefore you would have killed or maimed that child.

outlaw it all.


but just because it affects SOME and not ALL...it's just one more freedom you don't have.

I said that I don't exactly agree with the government telling people that they can't smoke in their vehicle with kids in it. I would think that parents wouldn't do it for the sake of the kids. I guess some people just don't care, have the "it won't happen to my kid" attitude or just refuse to see the affects smoking can have on kids. Yes I know that I said CAN have. But there is a BIG chance that it can affect the health of the kids.
I would rather NOT take that chance with my kids. Their lives are far more important to me than that cigarette!

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.