Thread: Was Abe Lincoln GAY ??????

Historians Defend Book Ib Abraham Lincoln
By CHRISTOPHER WILLS

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (AP) - It must have been the first conference in the history of Abraham Lincoln scholarship to call the Great Emancipator ``a terrifically sexual guy.''

Addressing the nation's top Lincoln scholars on Sunday, two historians defended a new book that claims Lincoln was gay and called for more research into his sexuality. ``I could build a Lincoln Log cabin of homophobic denial,'' said Civil War historian Michael Chesson. ``There's been a cover-up, a conspiracy of silence for experts to hide what they regard as dirty linen in Abe's faded carpetbag.''

The reason for the discussion - part of a conference held in conjunction with the opening of the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library and Museum - is a new book called ``The Intimate World of Abraham Lincoln.''

Author and sociologist C.A. Tripp, who died before the book was published, examined Lincoln's poetry, the recollections of those who knew him and his relationships with other men and concluded Lincoln was ``predominantly homosexual.''

Tripp goes into more detail, but he was not the first person to speculate on the subject. Scholars have long wondered about the relationship between Lincoln and Joshua Speed. The two men slept in the same bed for four years in Springfield and developed a deep friendship.

Seeking to save money and stay warm in crude buildings, men of the day often shared beds. But Lincoln and Speed lived together long after they could afford separate quarters. Though both men married and Lincoln had four children, Tripp concluded they were lovers.

He reached the same conclusion about Lincoln and David Derickson, a soldier assigned to guard the president during the Civil War. Lincoln and Derickson sometimes shared a bed when Mary Todd Lincoln was out of town.

Jean Baker, author of a major biography of Mrs. Lincoln, has concluded that Lincoln was bisexual. ``(Lincoln) loved men, and they loved him, at whatever level,'' Baker said.

She also rejected the contention that Lincoln married only to further his political career, saying Abraham and Mary ``loved each other and could not be happy apart.''

``It does seem to me that Lincoln is a terrifically sexual guy. He seems to exude testosterone from every pore,'' she added.


Many historians have questioned the theory that Lincoln was gay, arguing that if there were anything suspicious about the president's relationships with Speed and Derickson, his enemies would have used it against him. They say Tripp relied on discredited sources and read too much into conversations that were recalled decades later.

Douglas Wilson, co-director of the Lincoln Studies Center at Knox College, called the book's evidence ``very, very shabby.''

But Illinois state historian Thomas Schwartz suggested skeptics should keep an open mind. ``I have found that the traditional assumptions about Lincoln, when carefully tested, fall apart,'' he said.



04/18/05 04:00

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You ladies took the words right outta my mouth. It doesnt matter anyways. If in fact it is true then that was only one small piece of the puzzle that made him who he was, it didnt define him then or now.

I am from Springfield, IL and I never heard that he was supposedly gay. So what if he was.... He was a great guy who did so many good things

Originally Posted by Denise1972

I am from Springfield, IL and I never heard that he was supposedly gay. So what if he was.... He was a great guy who did so many good things

Exactly!

The Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library has its opening ceremonies tomorrow 4/19/05 with President & Mrs. Bush attending.

Let's remember all the wonderful things Abe Lincoln did for the USA.

Originally Posted by queenangie

Exactly!

The Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library has its opening ceremonies tomorrow 4/19/05 with President & Mrs. Bush attending.

Let's remember all the wonderful things Abe Lincoln did for the USA.

I want to go to the opening cerimonies of the Library, but it will be a nightmare trying to find a parking spot. I dont think there are any tickets left either.

Originally Posted by CatrinaF25

who cares if he was gay .. he did great things

My thoughts exactly. It is not a persons sexual preference that makes them great or not so great. It is what they carry within them.

A little off topic here, but let me put in a plug for the beautiful little town of Harrogate, Tn. This is in Eastern Tennessee, right on the Ky/Tn border.There is a college there called Lincoln Memorial University that has an extensive Abraham Lincoln library. Stop by and take a look if you are ever in that neck of the woods.

Originally Posted by CatrinaF25

who cares if he was gay .. he did great things

I agree